I didn’t know such a manual existed. Although my BCC is factory finished
(hull #64), I also would be interested in obtaining a copy.
Gary Mynett
Dioscouri
-----Original Message-----
From: coldmt2000 <tchapmn1@c…> [mailto:tchapmn1@c…]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:00 PM
To: bcc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcc] Construction Manuel
I’m looking for a copy of the original contruction manuel on the BCC
given to bareboat builders by Morse…Sumio states he no longer has
access to any copies, as barehulls are no longer being bought from Morse.
I have a bare hull from the Canadian mold…the manuel would be very
useful, to say the least. I be happy to handle any expenses relating
to obtaining a copy.
I am sending this message via the BCC group so that all the BCC owners
understand the importance of what I am attempting to convey. This could
effect the value of ALL existing legally built Bristol Channel Cutters
Tom,
I am sorry to have to inform you that your hull and deck are illegally
built.
Mr. Roger Olson, the previous owner of the Sam L. Morse Company told me he
once told you that the Sam L. Morse Company has the exclusive rights to
build the Bristol Channel Cutter and no one else, anywhere in the world can
build it. The mold you used to build your boat in Canada was originally
used to produce the BCC in Canada as long as there was an active agreement
between the Sam L. Morse Company and the Canadian builder. When the
agreement was cancelled so was the rights for the mold to be used to produce
another hull.
I hope you understand that we must protect the reputable name of the Bristol
Channel Cutter. If one illegal boat is built that is not up to the
standards of the original Canadian built boats or the Sam L. Morse boats, it
will effect the value of all existing Bristol Channel Cutters. This is the
reason we discontinued selling bare hulls and will only sell a boats
completed or semi-complete, where it has our structural standard installed.
Legal action may be taken if you continue to purse building this boat and
call it a Bristol Channel Cutter. I am sure that you do not want to engage
legal representation, nor do we but to protect the Bristol Channel Cutter
name we will go to any length, no matter the cost.
I do have a simple solution for you that will not cost you a cent. I
strongly recommend you contact me at (949) 645-1843…if I am not available,
please leave your name and telephone number on the voice message.
I have the manual and it has been scanned into a PDF document Everyone who wants the manual should send me their Yahoo ID(but NOT the password)
I am not able to email this file as it is almost twelve megabytes in size.
This is why I need your yahoo ID. The files has been chopped into four pieces of three MB size and uploaded to YAHOO BRIEFCASE along with the program which sectioned them.
You will need to be logged in to yahoo with the ID you supplied me then you will
paste the following link into your browser. The way briefcase is set up only yahoo members can share files
If the above link works as advertised you will be taken to the briefcase folder containing the manual. Download the five files and install the chopping program on your computer then open the first fragment and hit the restore button. This will create the original file bcc.pdf
You will need to install the free adobe reader to view or print this file.
Hi All:
We have a bare hull finished boat, and are only the third owners (people who bought the boat sold it to Mike who sold it to us).
We got lots of the original information, including original sail plan blueprint, but no manual. We too would be certainly interested in a copy of this document.
Thanks, and good luck!
Hi Larry:
If you look on the website under layouts you’ll see the layout of Dilkara as was sent to us when we were looking to buy a boat back in 1991. I can look for the original ad we clipped, if you want, although it will take a while to find.
Arrows on the layout are courtesy of Jeremy, who was looking at the bulkhead placement, and I think we cribbed the idea of a double bunk forward from Dilkaras (very usable for 2) layout. Doesn’t help much in terms of history, I’m afraid.
Cheers,
Nica Waters
I have hull #22. When I bought the bare hull and deck in '77, there
was no manual or even ‘patterns’ so far as I know. There was an
interior layout plan as designed by Lyle Hess, but that was all.
You might take a look at a copy of Frenk Mate’s book “From a Bare
Hull” for some pointers on how to go about laying out an interior,
glassing in half bulkheads, plumbing, etc.
Because we knew we were not going with the standard interior and the
inside of a bare 28 foot ‘hole’ can be intimidating, we used
cardboard mock-ups duct taped in place to gain some perspective on
dimentions of bunks, stove, icebox, etc.
If a construction manual ever existed I’ve never heard of it.
Hi DonCould you please send me the BCC construction manual files. My Yahoo ID is AXEMANDER. ThanksMark Pliskin
----- Original Message -----
From: Don
To: bcc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [bcc] Construction Manuel
I have the manual and it has been scanned into a PDF document
?Everyone who wants the manual should send me their Yahoo ID(but NOT the password)
?I ?am not able to email this file as it is almost twelve megabytes in size.
This is why I need your yahoo ID. The files has been chopped into four
pieces
of three MB size and uploaded to YAHOO BRIEFCASE along with the program
which sectioned them.
You will need to be logged in to yahoo with the ID you supplied me then you
will
paste the following link into your browser. The way briefcase is set up only
yahoo
members can share files
If the above link works as advertised you will be taken to the briefcase
folder containing
the manual. Download the five files and install the chopping program on your
computer
then open the first fragment and hit the restore button. This?will create
the original
file bcc.pdf
You will need to install the free adobe reader to view or print this file.
Hi All:
?We have a ?bare hull? finished boat, and are only the third owners (people who bought the boat sold it to Mike who sold it to us).
We got lots of the original information, including original sail plan blueprint, but no manual. We too would be certainly interested in a copy of this document.?
Thanks, and good luck!
?
Nica Waters
Calypso, BCC #6
Having just returned home from doing some extensive work on my BCC, I came
across your e-mail reference the manual. I realise I am almost 2 months
behind everyone else but is there any way I could get a copy of that manual.
My Yahoo ID is ‘ripleynca’. My BCC was built in Vancouver around 1980 and has
had three owners prior to me. I have managed to trace them all but it was a
chore.
I hope my request will not inconvenience you in any way and I thank you in
advance.
It has come to my attention since I made the manual available that bootleg
copies of the BCC hull are being made using the old Canadian version mold.
The fact is that this practice threatens the viability of Sam L. Morse
company if it continues due to potentially sub-standard boats being
produced.
I have one of the rouge BCCs, could someone please tell me what the
difference is between the Sam L. Morse mold & the Canadian version?
Sumio told me about the issue with the bulk heads and the history/trouble
with the Canadian builder, is there anything else I should watch out for?
Have any of my fellow Canadian BCC owners found any problems/issues with
their BCCs?
Hi Don, thanks for making this available to us. I’m the new owner of
Jolie Brise, hull number 69. I’m working through recommendations made
by my surveyor and no doubt the manual will let me learn the boat
better and easier.
Hi Rick,
There?are no major differences between the Canadian built BCC and the SLM Co. boats. The major complaint and reason the contract was cancelled was because of business ethics or payment of royalties to Lyle Hess and SLM. The hull for the Canadian BCC was made from a hull from a SLM BCC so they are exactly the same. The lay-up is also the same. I have personally inspected many Canadian BCC’s and found only minor differences, non to be a structural concern. Note that the differences are based on factory finished boats. There is no way or need to discuss owner finished boats.?
The major differences is the bulwarks are not as tall as the SLM boats. This is because the Canadian built boats use bronze stanchions instead of wooden ones?like the SLM. The bronze stanchions are excellent but just a little shorter.?The SLM Co. would love to get their hands on the bronze stanchions but they are held in captivity at the foundry in Canada. All other differences are nothing to be concerned with, they are not important, such as hull color, etc.
The problem is that many Canadian built boats do not have an HIN or Hull Identification Number. The reason for this is stated in the first paragraph. The rights to build a BCC still remains with the SLM Co. So any person who makes a BCC hull is actually breaking copywrite laws.?
For all the BCC owners, Canadian and SLM, it is important that illegal hulls?be stopped?so the value of our BCC’s are not jeopardized. All we need is for some person to build a BCC with too much or too little ballast or skip in critical areas and have this boat sink with its crew. This would be a reflection on all our BCC’s. Thanks Don in your consideration on this matter and to the rest of the group who I know are equally concerned.
We have Canadian Hull #14. The boat was built by Channel Cutter Yachts, as was yours, based on hull number.??IDUNA was owner finished to a very high standard by Peter Thinnus. Other SLM BCC’s owners who have been aboard IDUNA have commented on the quality of joinery work. The interior is all wood - Alaskan yellow cedar and teak. IDUNA does not have a hull number, whether that was done to avoid paying royalties or was not required in Canada, I do not know. Many boats built in the USA before 1980 did not have a hull number. Our first boat, Blue Moon, did not have a hull number.
I believe the alleged rogue hull(s) refers to another party after Channel Cutter Yachts?closed its door. I?thought SML contacted this party recently and put a stop to the practice. Perhaps Roger or Sumio would care to comment on this matter.
I am confused why the new Channel Cutter Yachts company is building the Channel Cutter 34. In my opinion, the logical company to?build the new boat is SLM, based on their good working relationship with the late Lyle Hess. I find it?difficult to understand why the “Lyle Hess Group” sold the rights to the Canadian company, considering the history of working relationships between SML and the late Lyle Hess and the?old Channel Cutter Yachts company. This was a disappointment for me. Again, perhaps, Roger of Sumio could comment on this matter.
Sumio told me about the royalty problems and that some of the hulls were missing the HIN, but I was not aware the Canadain builder had a contract at one point.
Hi Rick,
There?are no major differences between the Canadian built BCC and the SLM Co. boats. The major complaint and reason the contract was cancelled was because of business ethics or payment of royalties to Lyle Hess and SLM. The hull for the Canadian BCC was made from a hull from a SLM BCC so they are exactly the same. The lay-up is also the same. I have personally inspected many Canadian BCC’s and found only minor differences, non to be a structural concern. Note that the differences are based on factory finished boats. There is no way or need to discuss owner finished boats.?
The major differences is the bulwarks are not as tall as the SLM boats. This is because the Canadian built boats use bronze stanchions instead of wooden ones?like the SLM. The bronze stanchions are excellent but just a little shorter.?The SLM Co. would love to get their hands on the bronze stanchions but they are held in captivity at the foundry in Canada. All other differences are nothing to be concerned with, they are not important, such as hull color, etc.
The problem is that many Canadian built boats do not have an HIN or Hull Identification Number. The reason for this is stated in the first paragraph. The rights to build a BCC still remains with the SLM Co. So any person who makes a BCC hull is actually breaking copywrite laws.?
For all the BCC owners, Canadian and SLM, it is important that illegal hulls?be stopped?so the value of our BCC’s are not jeopardized. All we need is for some person to build a BCC with too much or too little ballast or skip in critical areas and have this boat sink with its crew. This would be a reflection on all our BCC’s. Thanks Don in your consideration on this matter and to the rest of the group who I know are equally concerned.
