Fitting The Dink

We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop.  The length of the dink will be between 7' and 7'8", beam 4' to 4'6".  The challenge is to stow the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.
 
Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge??  I can understand why the Pardey's build the 30' verion of the BCC after trying to solve this challenge.
 
We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use.. 
 
Thanks,
 
Rod

I have a Fatty Knees dink on my cabin top. Also have a small dodger.

 

-----Original Message----- From: Rod Bruckdorfer [mailto:seagypsy@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:34 PM To: bcc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

 

We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop.  The length of the dink will be between 7' and 7'8", beam 4' to 4'6".  The challenge is to stow the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.

 

Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge??  I can understand why the Pardey's build the 30' verion of the BCC after trying to solve this challenge.

 

We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use.. 

 

Thanks,

 

Rod

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I've got a Montgomery 6' 8" hard dink stored over the cabin top.  It came with the boat and works well but I would have rather had a Fatty Knees.  I believe that the Pardey's had a Montgomery 6" 8" on Seraffyn.  The dink had the transom cut down a few inches to accommodate the hatch on the BCC.
 
Doug
s/v Fritha
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:33 PM
Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop.  The length of the dink will be between 7' and 7'8", beam 4' to 4'6".  The challenge is to stow the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.
 
Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge??  I can understand why the Pardey's build the 30' verion of the BCC after trying to solve this challenge.
 
We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use.. 
 
Thanks,
 
Rod



Rod,
West Marine's RIB 310 is a 10' 2" by 4' 11" rigid inflatable that measures about 7.5 ' by 3' deflated and in the bag.  If you are interested I will put a tape on mine and get you exact deflated measurements as I could not find them on West Marine's website.   It weighs 88 lbs and just fits between my dodger and the mast on the cabin top.  The height is only 17 inches so the boom clears nicely.  Here is a link to the data and photo in the West Marine Catalogue.
 
Regards,
David Kent
Seastar
 
  
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Rod Bruckdorfer [mailto:seagypsy@att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:34 PM
To: bcc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop.  The length of the dink will be between 7' and 7'8", beam 4' to 4'6".  The challenge is to stow the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.
 
Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge??  I can understand why the Pardey's build the 30' verion of the BCC after trying to solve this challenge.
 
We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use.. 
 
Thanks,
 
Rod



John Churchill designed and built an elegant little two-part
bolted-together, 9’-or-thereabouts sailing dink that fits between
companionway and butterfly hatch with bow section nested underneath. Fits
in front of the dodger. I bought it after he sold Bucephalus to Peter Pike .
I have not used it on Itchen yet because the dink is still at our place in
Venice FL and Itchen is still on the Chespaeake. I hope to get them
together as soon as we manage to get Itchen down to Florida, for it is too
big for my Outback’s roof rack. I may have some fun fitting it to Itchen,
because Bucephalus has no companionway hood, and Itchen does, so there may
be “some assembly required”. If I can manage that, I will keep it and maybe
name it “Itchen’s Ferry”.

As a dinghy it really does work as designed - I know, because I assembled it
& took it out for a trial row and sail around Venice inlet. I think there
is some discussion of this dinghy waaay back in the bcc archives.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: “Rod Bruckdorfer” <seagypsy@att.net >
To: <bcc@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop. The length of the
dink will be between 7’ and 7’8", beam 4’ to 4’6". The challenge is to stow
the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.

Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge?? I can understand why
the Pardey’s build the 30’ verion of the BCC after trying to solve this
challenge.

We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat
and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use…

Thanks,

Rod

David:
 
I appreciate the offer.  We want a hard dink and plan not to consider an inflatable.
 
The response to my question is appreciated and the photo from Steven Osborne is a real plus in my quest for the "holy grail" of dinks.
 
Scott, I remember Churchill posted several photo's of his dink at this forum - very nice.
 
Doug, we looked at the Montgomery 6'8" pram.  I think the pram is a possible solution.  Lenora does not like prams, hence base on a married democratic vote, the pram was place on the "far back burner." 
 
We like the Fatty Knees but thought the price tag was too high.
 
Thanks,
 
Rod
I build a bunch of the Montgomery dinghys.......the thickness is 19 inches and we can cut it lower for those who need it. (no charge) She is a pram. Lin and Larry did use one on their first circumnavigation.

Here is a new Montgomery 6’ 8" in the foreground.

I also build the 8 footer ( called the 7’ 11" for those States that
have a 8 foot licensing
rule.)  She has a pointed bow. She rows very well.

Fair winds
Bob

Doug Beu wrote:

I've got a Montgomery 6' 8" hard dink stored over the cabin top.  It came with the boat and works well but I would have rather had a Fatty Knees.  I believe that the Pardey's had a Montgomery 6" 8" on Seraffyn.  The dink had the transom cut down a few inches to accommodate the hatch on the BCC.
Doug
s/v Fritha
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:33 PM
Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink
We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop.  The length of the dink will be between 7' and 7'8", beam 4' to 4'6".  The challenge is to stow the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.
Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge??  I can understand why the Pardey's build the 30' verion of the BCC after trying to solve this challenge.
We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use.. 
Thanks,
Rod

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Aloha,
 
Oh...the dinghy challenge on a BCC. Such a beautiful boat demands no less from her dinghy.
 
You must have a dinghy that works! And one that is beautiful. I like the dinghy under the boom. We have seven feet to work with, unless you are hard core and forego the dodger! The beautiful Lyle Hess-designed Fatty Kness is worthy and perfect if pricey. She tows like a dream boat and is so beautiful ! I have a great picture to post. Aloha's Fatty Kness is shown Rod's gallery site. The Sam L. Morse Cherub is grand.
 
If you can't get one of these nice choices, go get a high quality inflatable and squeeze it into the quarter berth out of site.  Or, build something like John Churchill's  two piece dinghy which is amazingly large and it works, if in two pieces.
 
Happy New Year!
 
Kate
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could you build the 7’11" without the centerboard
box? I would like to place the dinghy over my skuttle
hatch and need the full depth. Maybe the box could te
removable? I like the centerboard rather than
leeboards.
Nate Berkowitz

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The 7’ 11" in the photo has just the seat, no centerboard. That middle
seat is where you sit while rowing. Then again, a centerboard has
to have a box with a trunk inside as well. The disadvantage of
a centerboard is water spurting up and getting your seat (pants)
wet. Leeboards do have the advantage of a dryer boat; no holes
or slots in the hull, etc.
I could probably make the center seat removable with a nice teak board
that pins onto
some structural tabs on the hull, like we do for the mast support cross
member.
That would be a simple solution. You would lose the floatation that the
normal
seat would give you; but the hull would be hollow enough to fit over the
hatch.

Fair winds
Bob

Nathaniel Berkowitz wrote:

could you build the 7’11" without the centerboard
box? I would like to place the dinghy over my skuttle
hatch and need the full depth. Maybe the box could te
removable? I like the centerboard rather than
leeboards.
Nate Berkowitz

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Scott- I live in Venice - why don't you write me quick note off the list so as not to flood,
 
Bill Schroedter
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Odell [mailto:jso@radix.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:44 PM
To: bcc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

John Churchill designed and built an elegant little two-part
bolted-together, 9'-or-thereabouts sailing dink that fits between
companionway and butterfly hatch with bow section nested underneath.  Fits
in front of the dodger. I bought it after he sold Bucephalus to Peter Pike .
I have not used it on Itchen yet because the dink is still at our place in
Venice FL and Itchen is still on the Chespaeake.  I hope to get them
together as soon as we manage to get Itchen down to Florida, for it is too
big for my Outback's roof rack. I may have some fun fitting it to Itchen,
because Bucephalus has no companionway hood, and Itchen does, so there may
be "some assembly required".  If I can manage that, I will keep it and maybe
name it "Itchen's Ferry".

As a dinghy it really does work as designed - I know, because I assembled it
& took it out for a trial row and sail around Venice inlet.  I think there
is some discussion of this dinghy waaay back in the bcc archives.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Bruckdorfer"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink


We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop.  The length of the
dink will be between 7' and 7'8", beam 4' to 4'6".  The challenge is to stow
the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a dodger.

Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge??  I can understand why
the Pardey's build the 30' verion of the BCC after trying to solve this
challenge.

We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the boat
and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use..

Thanks,

Rod




John Churchill’s design has the “centerboard trunk” offset to one side,
alongside the gunwale. Not equally efficient on both tacks, but it does the
job and unless you plan to enter dinghy racing competitions I doubt the
difference would be significant.

Scott

could you build the 7’11" without the centerboard
box? I would like to place the dinghy over my skuttle
hatch and need the full depth. Maybe the box could te
removable? I like the centerboard rather than
leeboards.
Nate Berkowitz

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email:nathanielsf@yahoo.com


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Another yacht tender I like is a SPINDRIFT 11 footer, nesting dinghy.
I know a couple of people who built these over the winter
(a good fun project) and they are practical for motoring and sailing.
The 11 footer breaks down to an overall lenght of 5 feet 7 inchs.
See it here:

http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm

Fair winds
Bob

Scott Odell wrote:

John Churchill's design has the "centerboard trunk" offset to one side,
alongside the gunwale. Not equally efficient on both tacks, but it does the
job and unless you plan to enter dinghy racing competitions I doubt the
difference would be significant.
Scott
could you build the 7'11" without the centerboard
box? I would like to place the dinghy over my skuttle
hatch and need the full depth. Maybe the box could te
removable? I like the centerboard rather than
leeboards.
Nate Berkowitz
====nathaniel berkowitz, sausalito california
tel: 415 331 3314 fax: 415 331 1854
email:nathanielsf@yahoo.com 
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Hum, when the owner of IDUNA looks at this website, we may have another married democratic vote regarding nesting dinks.  When I chased molecules around a lab, an often used phrase was, "In research, we take one step forward and sometimes two steps backwards."
 
Thanks for the photo of your new Montgomery 23 - very nice.  May I post the photo of the 23 at the Lyle Hess Tribute Rendezvous Photo Site??  As is proper, I will give due photo credit in the caption.
 
Happy New,
 
Rod
S/V IDUNA
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

Scott

Another yacht tender I like is a SPINDRIFT 11 footer, nesting dinghy.
I know a couple of people who built these over the winter
(a good fun project) and they are practical for motoring and sailing.
The 11 footer breaks down to an overall lenght of 5 feet 7 inchs.
See it here:

http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm

Rod

Yes, go ahead. And a Happy New Year to you both as well.!

I do like the idea of a nesting dink. Like anything else that is 11 feet
long, you will likely end up towing it while you explore coastal
waterways and harbor hopping. It is probably some hassel to
break it down or assemble it; especially if its wet and rainy out.

Once nested and attached to the mothership of course, you can cross
the Atlantic. The advantage of a 11 foot tender over a 8 footer is
large.
Especially if your going to stay in one area. More capacity for people,
supplies and room for taking trips around the harbor, etc. A pram
like the M_6 foot eight inch would be more of a get to the boat, get
to the dinghy dock mode of transportation for 2. With one aboard
you can putt around the harbor and explore some. It does row well
and that is what a hard dinghy should do.

To me, the difference in getting the ships tender up and ready is
what makes or breaks its utility. For harbor living and coastal
cruising,
exploring, getting to the Yacht Club, hauling people and supplies
around,
getting on and off while climbing on board the mothership, you really
can’t beat a good, semi rigid inflatable. With a small  honda it is
perfect.
Then we have a few  problems. One is you can’t row one, especially
in a wind. Two, you have to deflate them and lift them on board
when your going offshore. Three, you can’t sail them around the harbor
for fun. The hassel of getting them ready, inflating them, lowering them
over the side could be compared to assembling a hard nesting dinghy.
(as for the time involved) But the nesting dink, while not as stable as
an inflatable, can be rowed, can be sailed and can be motored. It will
bang against the hull at night while the inflatable won’t.

I don’t know if I would worry much about having to abandon a BCC in mid
ocean. Highly unlikely. Maybe a soft pack raft with a abandon ship bag
and
a good beacon with GPS capability.

How about having all three?..LOL

Fair winds Rod…!

Bob

Rod Bruckdorfer wrote:

Bob:
Hum, when the owner of IDUNA looks at this website, we may have another married democratic vote regarding nesting dinks.  When I chased molecules around a lab, an often used phrase was, "In research, we take one step forward and sometimes two steps backwards."
Thanks for the photo of your new Montgomery 23 - very nice.  May I post the photo of the 23 at the Lyle Hess Tribute Rendezvous Photo Site??  As is proper, I will give due photo credit in the caption.
Happy New,
Rod
S/V IDUNA
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [bcc] Fitting The Dink
Scott

Another yacht tender I like is a SPINDRIFT 11 footer, nesting dinghy.
I know a couple of people who built these over the winter
(a good fun project) and they are practical for motoring and sailing.
The 11 footer breaks down to an overall lenght of 5 feet 7 inchs.
See it here:

http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm

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Bob,
As usual your work is exquisite. Its great having you participate in
this group.
Are you building any 37’s ? I was just stunned by the beauty of the one
I saw in Annapolis about 10 years ago.
Cordially,
Jim Hiller
On Dec 29, 2004, at 9:12 PM, Bob wrote:

I build a bunch of the Montgomery dinghys…the thickness is 19
inches
and we can cut it lower for those who need it. (no charge) She is a
pram.
Lin and Larry did use one on their first circumnavigation.

Here is a new Montgomery 6’ 8" in the foreground.

I also build the 8 footer ( called the 7’ 11" for those States that
have a 8 foot licensing
rule.) She has a pointed bow. She rows very well.

Fair winds
Bob

Doug Beu wrote:

I’ve got a Montgomery 6’ 8" hard dink stored over the cabin top. It
came with the boat and works well but I would have rather had a Fatty
Knees. I believe that the Pardey’s had a Montgomery 6" 8" on
Seraffyn. The dink had the transom cut down a few inches to
accommodate the hatch on the BCC.

Doug
s/v Fritha
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Bruckdorfer
To: bcc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:33 PM
Subject: [bcc] Fitting The Dink

We would like to stow our future dink on the cabintop. The length of
the dink will be between 7’ and 7’8", beam 4’ to 4’6". The challenge
is to stow the dink on the cabin top and still have enough room for a
dodger.

Has any BCC owner found a solution to this challenge?? I can
understand why the Pardey’s build the 30’ verion of the BCC after
trying to solve this challenge.

We are intersted in finding out where BCC owners stow the dink on the
boat and the type of hard dink other BCC ownes use…

Thanks,

Rod

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