Pets aboard

Hi all,

I was wondering if any BCC owners out there have
pets aboard? Specifically, I was thinking about a
dog.

We might consider this someday, aboard Godspeed,
but I was wondering in advance how it might work
out on a 28ft BCC. Any advice would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Gearhart
S/V Godspeed #108


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Mark, You may want to contact Alfred Mattheis at 806 379 4495. He and his
wife cruised for many years in the Long Island area with their German
Shepard. In fact, it was seeing their BCC moored on several of my cruises
that sparked my interest in this boat.

Mark Giegel
BCC “Itchen” hull # 73 1985
-----Original Message-----
From: mark gearhart <mrgearha@yahoo.com >
To: bcc@egroups.com <bcc@egroups.com >
Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: [bcc] Pets aboard

Hi all,

I was wondering if any BCC owners out there have
pets aboard? Specifically, I was thinking about a
dog.

We might consider this someday, aboard Godspeed,
but I was wondering in advance how it might work
out on a 28ft BCC. Any advice would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Gearhart
S/V Godspeed #108


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  mark gearhart wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering if any BCC owners out there have
pets aboard? Specifically, I was thinking about a
dog

 

       Mark,

         We've never had a dog on our BCC in the 20 years living on board but we have had three cats(not all at one time) and I cqn tell you from the people we have met cruising that dogs can be a real pain. Even small dogs need exercise. Just watch any dog when it hits the beach go nuts having some room to run around. Not only is having a dog on board sometimes a real headache for the owner, but I feel it is cruel to the animal to be so confined. A cat however is more suited to living aboard. Being more agile helps a lot on a rough passage.

   We are dog lovers at heart(having raised them  before moving aboard) but have since taken up with cats which can be just as loving as a dog, though much more independent. And although cats do take some caring for, they are not so dependent on you for support.

    We have seen many cruisers with cats who take them to other boats for visits and are always accepted where dogs are rarely appreciated.

          If you already have a dog you are thinking of taking on board, try it at the dock before committing your pets welfare to a life at sea..

              regards, Stan & Barb Roeder WAXWING



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A cat however is more suited to living aboard. Being more agile
helps a lot on a rough passage.

Stan, what’s your solution for dealing with cat litter on a BCC?
Where do you locate (and secure) a box, and what materials have you
used for litter?

Thanks.

Tom U.

mark-
as you know, i am the proud new owner of alfred and inge’s boat. it came
equipped with a ramp which clamps to the companionway step allowing the animal
access and egress from the cabin. stores in the forepeak when not in use. i
have used it with one of my pooches and she is able although initially
reluctant to use it. alfred keeps BIG (100 lb) german shepards and said they
have no problems with it. i am planning on taking one of our mutts to the
bahamas this winter for company. it will be a pain in the ass at times, but i
hope enjoyable at others. if i did not already have a dog, i would not get one
to live aboard however. i have old dog scratches in the woodwork and even
tough the mattheis’ boatkeeping was immaculate, i am still sweeping up shepard
hair.
if you want more info on the ramp, i can take some photos and send them
along. btw- it doubles as a cockpit table (with the other side up.
john churchill
BUCEPHALUS, ex-Sanderling

Mark Giegel wrote:

Mark, You may want to contact Alfred Mattheis at 806 379 4495. He and his
wife cruised for many years in the Long Island area with their German
Shepard. In fact, it was seeing their BCC moored on several of my cruises
that sparked my interest in this boat.

Mark Giegel
BCC “Itchen” hull # 73 1985
-----Original Message-----
From: mark gearhart <mrgearha@yahoo.com >
To: bcc@egroups.com <bcc@egroups.com >
Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: [bcc] Pets aboard

Hi all,

I was wondering if any BCC owners out there have
pets aboard? Specifically, I was thinking about a
dog.

We might consider this someday, aboard Godspeed,
but I was wondering in advance how it might work
out on a 28ft BCC. Any advice would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Gearhart
S/V Godspeed #108


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Stan, what’s your solution for dealing with cat litter on a BCC?
Where do you locate (and secure) a box, and what materials have you
used for litter?

Thanks.

Tom U.

Tom, we used a regular cat litter box. By drilling four small
holes in the bottom and using long wire-ties to secure it on one leg
of the boomkin. A few more holes on the area outside of where it
rests on the wood allows drainage overboard of urine and solidS can
be scooped out with a plastic spoon.
For litter we started off using regular store-bought stuff but
found it hard to find in foreign waters and expensive when we did
find it. At first we tried using beach sand but found that the cat
tracked it around on its paws. We finally found that small gravel
that can usually be found around rocky areas of most beaches worked
better. It should be course enough that it won’t stick to the paws
and be tracked around the deck, but fine enough that the cat feels
like it is scraping something up and can bury what it does. At one
point we tried using larger and larger gravel, moving up slowly so
the cat wouldn’t figure out what was going on until he wound up with
one large rock to go on and then roll it over, but he caught on.
Really, gravel worked well for us so long as the box was outside.
Being aft ,it was always downwind and by sloshing a bucket of water
into the box once a day kept it cleanly rinsed. The solids tend to
float up and over the side of the box.
However, we did put a smaller plastic pan below with just a
little litter in it when we were underway on a rough passage. In
smooth water, he still used the box over the stern.
Another boater we knew kept a one-foot square of outdoor
carpeting on deck which they tossed over the side on a line for
rinsing after it was USED. But they had a bigger boat with a center
cockpit and the carpet was way aft along with any smell.
I’ve heard of people teaching their cat to use the toilet but
then it stinks down below and someone still has to flush it.
If you get a cat, I would wait until you were ready to leave the
dock and get a kitten, as young as possible. Better yet, get two;
they are a lot more fun that way and entertain each other as well as
yourself. The reason for getting them young is that it is easier
training them to always stay on the boat if they have never
experienced roaming. Also, get them fixed. Females travel better and
are less likely to have urinary problems. Good luck.

Stan and Barbara Roeder WAXWING

Thanks John,

Yes, that ramp. I might be interested in making one
for
Godspeed. I think I could find several other uses for
it also. On our last trip, if by some miracle we had
caught a fish, we would have needed a cutting board.
Well, actually, it also would have come in handy for
eating crabs also. We did manage to get a few of
these.

Maria and I will be heading up to the Chesapeake
Bay in Godspeed, from Houston, in about 8 months.
Maybe we could stop by and take a look? Just us two,
no dogs or cats for this next trip.

Thanks
Mark
S/V Godspeed

— jchurchhill <jchurchill@erols.com > wrote:

mark-
as you know, i am the proud new owner of alfred
and inge’s boat. it came
equipped with a ramp which clamps to the
companionway step allowing the animal
access and egress from the cabin. stores in the
forepeak when not in use. i
have used it with one of my pooches and she is able
although initially
reluctant to use it. alfred keeps BIG (100 lb)
german shepards and said they
have no problems with it. i am planning on taking
one of our mutts to the
bahamas this winter for company. it will be a pain
in the ass at times, but i
hope enjoyable at others. if i did not already have
a dog, i would not get one
to live aboard however. i have old dog scratches in
the woodwork and even
tough the mattheis’ boatkeeping was immaculate, i am
still sweeping up shepard
hair.
if you want more info on the ramp, i can take
some photos and send them
along. btw- it doubles as a cockpit table (with the
other side up.
john churchill
BUCEPHALUS, ex-Sanderling

Mark Giegel wrote:

Mark, You may want to contact Alfred Mattheis at
806 379 4495. He and his
wife cruised for many years in the Long Island
area with their German
Shepard. In fact, it was seeing their BCC moored
on several of my cruises
that sparked my interest in this boat.

Mark Giegel
BCC “Itchen” hull # 73 1985
-----Original Message-----
From: mark gearhart <mrgearha@yahoo.com >
To: bcc@egroups.com <bcc@egroups.com >
Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: [bcc] Pets aboard

Hi all,

I was wondering if any BCC owners out there have
pets aboard? Specifically, I was thinking about a
dog.

We might consider this someday, aboard Godspeed,
but I was wondering in advance how it might work
out on a 28ft BCC. Any advice would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Gearhart
S/V Godspeed #108


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At 10:53 AM 07/18/2000 -0000, you wrote:

Stan:

Our cat is two and has been an indoor cat. Any concerns about your cats
going overboard? Can’t imagine ours in a kitty PFD.

Tom Harrer
BCC 118

 Tom,

     Sure they go overboard every now and then. But that is normal of cats on board. I'm talking about on anchor of course. But cats are really good swimmers, at least for short durations. You will need some sort of 'cat  ladder' such as a towel or old heavy line hung over the side. It usually only takes once for them to find it when they fall in and need no help in climbing out. I assume your cat has its claws. Our cats have fallen, and in one case, jumped overboard when chasing around the deck or trying to catch a bird or butterfly. But they set up such a caterwalling that your neighbors will think you are beating it to death. You will lprobably find yourself more than once waking up with a sopping wet cat on your chest seeking comiseration.

     good luck, Stan



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Hi Mark-

Looks like this subject has been discussed a lot, but I thought I’d add our
two cents.

We cruised for three years (and lived aboard a year before leaving) with a 40
lb beagle. We didn’t get him specifically to cruise with, but when we got
him we knew we would go, and we were looking for a BCC.

I’d never do it any other way. He was great aboard, loved his dinghy rides,
afforded us some much needed peace of mind in Venezuela, and was a great
conversation piece. Yes, he had to go ashore once or twice a day, but as
jeremy said on more than one occasion, he made us get ashore in places where
we might not have, and we found some spectacular sites because of him.

Our cruising ground was the Bahamas, the Eastern Caribbean, down to Trinidad
and Venezuela and west to Bonaire and then back. THe worst place to have the
dog aboard was probably the east coast of Florida, but don’t get me started.
We were honest about his being aboard everywhere, and only in a couple of
places did we have to “sneak” him ashore.

There are lots of people out cruising with pets, from small boats with big
labs aboard to big boats with miniature pinchers. My only caveat is that it
is probably better to have a dog who doesn’t love water - when the dolphins
come cavorting or other enticements happen, it’s better to know your pooch
isn’t going to jump in the water to get them, causing a rapid man-overboard
drill. Toby had a life jacket, but when the weather got rough, he’d either
curl up on a lap in the cockpit or we’d put him below.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Nica, other half of Jeremy
Calypso, BCC #6

Hi Mark-

We crossed the Atlantic with friends of ours (not aboard a BCC) who took
their dog with them. As far as I know, they avoided England like the plague
(but not Gibraltar) but most other places were fine. We visited the Azores,
Italy, Spain, and Gib with them, and then they continued on to Greece and
Turkey (not Malta)… I can ask them if you would like. They took Pepper with
them everywhere.

If you are headed this way (the Chesapeake) give us a call/email, as we would
love to see other BCCs!

Cheers,
Nica

Thanks Nica,

Yes, we’ll probably have a dog sooner or later. Personally, I’ve
never owned a dog before although I’ve seen them aboard occasionally.
I think if we do this, I’ll have as much learning to do about owning
a dog as he (or she) will about being aboard a boat. The thought
had crossed my mind about how valuable a dog might be, if trained
right, to keep intruders off the boat, especially when we eventually
leave the states. I haven’t read much about quarantine laws for
different countries though.

It sure would be nice if someone would publish a comprehensive
book describing the entry and exit requirements for each country,
especially Europe. But then, that’s a whole new subject…

Thanks to everyone for all their input.

Mark Gearhart
S/V Godspeed

P.S. Yes, the east coast of Florida. Having lived there for 15 years,
our next trip will be most enjoyable if we can just sail right
along the coast without ever stopping once!! Well, maybe one stop
at St. Augustine if we can get through the inlet.

— In bcc@egroups.com , calypsonia@a… wrote:

Hi Mark-

Looks like this subject has been discussed a lot, but I thought I’d
add our
two cents.

We cruised for three years (and lived aboard a year before leaving)
with a 40
lb beagle. We didn’t get him specifically to cruise with, but when
we got
him we knew we would go, and we were looking for a BCC.

I’d never do it any other way. He was great aboard, loved his
dinghy rides,
afforded us some much needed peace of mind in Venezuela, and was a
great
conversation piece. Yes, he had to go ashore once or twice a day,
but as
jeremy said on more than one occasion, he made us get ashore in
places where
we might not have, and we found some spectacular sites because of
him.

Our cruising ground was the Bahamas, the Eastern Caribbean, down to
Trinidad
and Venezuela and west to Bonaire and then back. THe worst place
to have the
dog aboard was probably the east coast of Florida, but don’t get me
started.
We were honest about his being aboard everywhere, and only in a
couple of
places did we have to “sneak” him ashore.

There are lots of people out cruising with pets, from small boats
with big
labs aboard to big boats with miniature pinchers. My only caveat
is that it
is probably better to have a dog who doesn’t love water - when the
dolphins
come cavorting or other enticements happen, it’s better to know
your pooch
isn’t going to jump in the water to get them, causing a rapid man-
overboard
drill. Toby had a life jacket, but when the weather got rough,
he’d either
curl up on a lap in the cockpit or we’d put him below.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Nica, other half of Jeremy
Calypso, BCC #6

Nica,

YES! We’d love to know, especially for Spain, and maybe even if
there are special considerations for cities like Valencia and
Barcelona. Our list also extends to France, Italy and
Greece. Sounds like our intended country list is very similar!

Yes, we are heading up towards the Chesapeake Bay. We just have
to pick a time for our departure. I hope we can get in touch when
we arrive. We’d really like to see other BCC’s also. There sure
arn’t many out there, and they seem to be spread out all over the
world.

Mark Gearhart

— In bcc@egroups.com , calypsonia@a… wrote:

Hi Mark-

We crossed the Atlantic with friends of ours (not aboard a BCC) who
took
their dog with them. As far as I know, they avoided England like
the plague
(but not Gibraltar) but most other places were fine. We visited
the Azores,
Italy, Spain, and Gib with them, and then they continued on to
Greece and
Turkey (not Malta)… I can ask them if you would like. They took
Pepper with
them everywhere.

If you are headed this way (the Chesapeake) give us a call/email,
as we would
love to see other BCCs!

Cheers,
Nica

Spain, France, and Italy are certainly not a problem. I used to live in
Algeria and cruise Spain’s Med coast, Balearics, and France during Summer
vacations. We had a dog and never had any problems or questions from the
authorities. I think the UK ( & Malta) is the only place where you have to
worry about quarantine. Others may have regulations about proof of
vaccinations, but we were never asked to show anything. From my experience
of dealing with customs/immigration, make a good faith effort to conform,
but don’t go out of your way. Don’t ask, don’t tell. Don’t volunteer
anything or inquire about regulations unless the customs officer asks you.

Jeremy

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From: mark gearhart [mailto:mrgearha@yahoo.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:02 PM
To: bcc@egroups.com
Subject: [bcc] Re: Pets aboard

Nica,

YES! We’d love to know, especially for Spain, and maybe even if
there are special considerations for cities like Valencia and
Barcelona. Our list also extends to France, Italy and
Greece. Sounds like our intended country list is very similar!

Yes, we are heading up towards the Chesapeake Bay. We just have
to pick a time for our departure. I hope we can get in touch when
we arrive. We’d really like to see other BCC’s also. There sure
arn’t many out there, and they seem to be spread out all over the
world.

Mark Gearhart

— In bcc@egroups.com , calypsonia@a… wrote:

Hi Mark-

We crossed the Atlantic with friends of ours (not aboard a BCC) who
took
their dog with them. As far as I know, they avoided England like
the plague
(but not Gibraltar) but most other places were fine. We visited
the Azores,
Italy, Spain, and Gib with them, and then they continued on to
Greece and
Turkey (not Malta)… I can ask them if you would like. They took
Pepper with
them everywhere.

If you are headed this way (the Chesapeake) give us a call/email,
as we would
love to see other BCCs!

Cheers,
Nica

i don’t know from personal experience, but according tp reports published in the
SSCA bulletins, the rules have been relaxed some in the UK, especiallly
england. now the animal may be allowed to enter if he/she never steps foot off
the boat, thus avoiding the 6 month quarantine (at owners expense) that had been
previously mandatory.
i highly recommend this organization for people getting ready to cruise.
john churchill

“Waters, Jeremy” wrote:

Spain, France, and Italy are certainly not a problem. I used to live in
Algeria and cruise Spain’s Med coast, Balearics, and France during Summer
vacations. We had a dog and never had any problems or questions from the
authorities. I think the UK ( & Malta) is the only place where you have to
worry about quarantine. Others may have regulations about proof of
vaccinations, but we were never asked to show anything. From my experience
of dealing with customs/immigration, make a good faith effort to conform,
but don’t go out of your way. Don’t ask, don’t tell. Don’t volunteer
anything or inquire about regulations unless the customs officer asks you.

Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
From: mark gearhart [mailto:mrgearha@yahoo.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:02 PM
To: bcc@egroups.com
Subject: [bcc] Re: Pets aboard

Nica,

YES! We’d love to know, especially for Spain, and maybe even if
there are special considerations for cities like Valencia and
Barcelona. Our list also extends to France, Italy and
Greece. Sounds like our intended country list is very similar!

Yes, we are heading up towards the Chesapeake Bay. We just have
to pick a time for our departure. I hope we can get in touch when
we arrive. We’d really like to see other BCC’s also. There sure
arn’t many out there, and they seem to be spread out all over the
world.

Mark Gearhart

— In bcc@egroups.com , calypsonia@a… wrote:

Hi Mark-

We crossed the Atlantic with friends of ours (not aboard a BCC) who
took
their dog with them. As far as I know, they avoided England like
the plague
(but not Gibraltar) but most other places were fine. We visited
the Azores,
Italy, Spain, and Gib with them, and then they continued on to
Greece and
Turkey (not Malta)… I can ask them if you would like. They took
Pepper with
them everywhere.

If you are headed this way (the Chesapeake) give us a call/email,
as we would
love to see other BCCs!

Cheers,
Nica