What years did CCY build BCC’s and when were the “unnumbered” hulls built?
But i did just take a look at the Database and see a bunch of hulls with #000, which i assume are the unnumbered hulls. Now the years show CCY built BCC’s from 1978-2000. Oh whoops, i see what i assume to be SLM #005 built in 1976 and then #004 built in 1982. Are these accurate dates? Now I wonder, how does the numbering work for SLM vs CCY – where they all numbered sequentially? I’m thoroughly confused.
(ive searched and read many threads… didn’t stumble across this info, sorry if its been a well trodden topic)
What years did CCY build BCC’s and when were the
“unnumbered” hulls built?
Good question. There are hints in the archives, but
nothing definitive. And how many were built: 22? 37? 12?
But i did just take a look at the Database and see
a bunch of hulls with #000, which i assume are the
unnumbered hulls. Now the years show CCY built
BCC’s from 1978-2000. Oh whoops, i see what i
assuke to be SLM #005 built in 1976 and then #004
built in 1982. Are these accurate dates? Now i
wonder, how does the numbering work for SLM vs CCY
– where they all numbered sequentially? I’m
thoroughly confused.
In the database, #000 also means “unknown”.
I looked at this database while it was still on yahoo,
trying to figure this out. Some boats were marked as
“V” boats in that list.
if you “plot” hull number by year, there is a sequence
to the SLM hull numbers which is pretty clear after 1981.
Before that and the later exceptions could be due to
giving the date the hull was made versus the date the
boat was completed. I decided from that exercise that
the CCY hulls were built from 1979 to 1981. I think.
I’d also speculate that no CCY hulls had a hull
number. If they did, where is it?
I can give a URL for the Canadian regulations, but this should
suffice. (US boats were required to have a HIN since 1972.)
“In accordance with the Small Vessel Regulations, every pleasure craft that is manufactured in Canada, or imported into Canada, after August 1, 1981 shall be permanently marked with a hull identification number. The HIN shall be located on the upper starboard quarter of the transom (or as close to that area as possible if marking it on the transom is not practical) and consists of 12 digits beginning with the Manufacturer’s Identification Code (MIC). No character of the HIN is to be less than 6 mm (? in) in height and width.”
Without the HIN the only way to know when the boat was built
is to have the original bill-of-sale.
Thanks Norris, such an interesting issue for the potential buyer. Current BCC listings show some CCY boats as being built in 1982 and another says 1984. Of course boat listings are quite often not 100% accurate, and since this is a cloudy issue with the BCC, ill toss any build dates out the window until like you said, i see a bill of sale… which is great info for me. Thanks.
So then my next question is, from what i can gleen (is that the right word?) in the forum archives, there were some SLM approved CCY builds and some not approved. And some construction techniques changed over time with CCY, where “corners were cut”. Is this accurate info? And if so, does anyone know what “corners were cut” and when approx. this was happnening?
Sometimes i feel like im decoding a secret code while i search the forums archives. Anyone ever talk about making FAQ’s or Sticky threads?
Again thanks as always and appologies about the dead horse beating thing.
So then my next question is, from what i can gleen
(is that the right word?) in the forum archives,
there were some SLM approved CCY builds and some
not approved. And some construction techniques
changed over time with CCY, where “corners were
cut”. Is this accurate info? And if so, does
anyone know what “corners were cut” and when
approx. this was happnening?
It’s hard keeping the facts and the rumours separate.
We know there was an agreement between SLM and a Canadian
company (which I assume is CCY), presumably that they
would build a certain number of boats. And after a
while there was a disagreement; the Canadian company
was accused of building too many boats and not paying
royalties to SLM and Lyle Hess.
Obviously this is a sensitive topic and too much of
the information is second or third hand. Some posts
have said things like the quotes above, but other posts
have said there was no quality issue only an ethics
issue.
As it happens, there is a company called Channel Cutter
Yachts close to where I live and they produce the
Falmouth Cutter 34. I believe the owner of the current
company was an employee of the old company when they
were making BCCs. So I don’t want to blame the current
company for the sins of the old company. I’ll have to
go visit them one of these days!
It’s very foggy round these here parts… ahh the mystery, the romance, the confusion.
I get the impression its not worth speculating…so many boats, so many variations. As long as they all sail well, stand up to the oceans abuse, and look good, i suppose we can all rest easy. Although, if anyone has some documented info to the contrary, i’d be curious.
I’d been trying to get to the CCY site for a while now… seems like it just came online? 34’ FC looks amazing.