Cradle size

Hello guys - I decided to haul out Adventure to replace the Boomken stay plates, check all the through hull fittings, and antifoul, before it gets too hot to work outside over here in the sandpit.

There is an adjustable cradle at the marina - See the attached shots - but it’s 18feet between the pads.
If the keel is properly blocked up for support, what do you all think about the adequacy of the lateral support with the pads being so far apart ?
I was thinking about asking permission to place another set of supports and pads midships, but I’m beginning to think it’ll be OK without modification.
Comments?

Some mods might be necessary to get the pads closer to each other at the bow but that won’t be difficult. It’s the 18 foot gap I’m a little concerned about.

Mike: Hi!

I agree with you - the 18 foot gap between supports is too big. You need supports at a 13 ft spacing or less to support a BCC adequately.

BCC Adventure and her sisters were built at the Sam L Morse Co. yard on cradles with a 13 foot gap between the fore and aft supports. See (from the BCC Construction Manual) Cradle.pdf (about 55 KB ).

The boat yard at our home marina uses a New Zealand-made box cradle with two pairs of sliding (i.e. they slide in and out) vertical supports. I’ve not yet found time to wander into a boatyard work pen to run a tape between those supports, but they are much less than 18 ft apart.

When, as in the photo below, we’ve had the rubbing strake repainted, those vertical supports are moved aside after putting Brownell boat stands between the supports (and so the distance between the boat stands is even less than 13 ft). See box cradle - boat stands.jpg (about 293 KB ).

Bil

Cradle.pdf (54.1 KB)

As noted above, the cradles used in the Sam L. Morse Co. yard in Costa Mesa CA had the pads supporting the hull atop vertical posts that were 13 ft apart.

A pre-launch photo (Nov 2000 pre-launch on cradle.jpg, about 176 KB ) taken in the SLM Co. yard in November 2000, shows Zygote in the cradle in which she was built. The cradle was placed on a flat bed trailer for the journey to the launch site - and that allowed a photo showing where exactly where the support pads were located.

The forward support pad is vertically below the forward shroud chainplate.

The aft support pad is at (or jolly close to) the cabin/engine room bulkhead.

Denny, the trucker, has added an amidships screw jack for additional stability for his attempt to set a land speed record for a BCC.

Standing at front and squinting into the sun are Denny, driver of the transport truck, and the two master shipwrights: Dick McComb, and Tommie Whisler.

Bil

Zygote

Thanks Bil,
you echoed my thoughts on this. i’ll try to get another set of uprights added.

Mike: Hi!

I guess Dubai has many more superyachts than BCC-sized boats, so it makes sense for the boatyard to have big cradles with 18 ft support pad spacing.

Your Facebook page did show a ?racing dhow? in the background. What yard and cradles do they use?

I reckon support pads at the forward shroud chainplates and at the cabin/engine room bulkhead will do the job. And now we know that is a 13 ft spacing.

Those same locations - forward shroud c/plates and the cabin/engine room bulkhead are also good locations for placing the Travelift slings.

I assume you’ve sorted a new source of chainplates and carriage bolts for Adventure’s boomkin stay chainplates.

Cheers

Bil

I have a friend with a laser cutter and 6mm 316L. The edge quality is very good, and I can get it buffed very nicely. I’m looking into the electro-polishing at the moment.
No-one I’ve spoken to has any experience of it. I assume it’s simply a question of making the workpiece the anode - no ?

I haven’t got the coach bolts yet - there is a very good supplier at the place all the big boys get hauled out.

The racing Dhows are very light with hardly any depth to the keels. They use light duty trailers.
The booms are double tapered carbon fibre these days and were selling for 19,000 US$ last time I looked !

I have a friend with a laser cutter and 6mm 316L.
The edge quality is very good, and I can get it
buffed very nicely. I’m looking into the
electro-polishing at the moment.
No-one I’ve spoken to has any experience of it. I
assume it’s simply a question of making the
workpiece the anode - no ?

For Zygote’s new boomkin stay c/plates, we had new c/plates laser cut (including the square carriage bolt holes and the round holes for the clevis pins) from 2507 plate. We gave Roger Olson’s drawing (in *pdf) form of the c/plates to the plate supplier who did the laser cutting. Beautiful work. We then took those plates to a fabricator for the bends and mechanical polishing, bringing the exposed surfaces to mirror #8.

Electropolishing is appropriate for 316L, likely superior to mechanical polishing (e/polishing apparently avoids the possibility of damage to the surface layer from m/polishing), and less expensive to boot.

E/polishing for 316L ss involves (1) some surface prep about which I know 0; (2) an electrolyte bath, held at 75 degrees C, of a 50-50 mix of 96% sulfuric acid and 85% orthophosphoric acid. The ss plates are the anodes. The cathodes are variously described as ss or copper or lead (Step 3 is to remove any surface deposits by rinsing in nitric acid or citric acid). Electric current is determined by the area of the plates to be electropolished (15 amps for every 1 square decimeter, which is the same as 15 amps per 0.01 square meter).

E/polishing is inexpensive if done by a firm doing routine e/polishing. Setting up for e/polishing (arranging a suitable vat, the electrolyte, etc) from scratch could be time consuming.

If you send me an e-mail address by the PM facility, I can send you a PDF describing e/polishing according to ASTM B912-02 of 2008.

I haven’t got the coach bolts yet - there is a
very good supplier at the place all the big boys
get hauled out.

We had carriage bolts made in 2507 duplex ss (immune from crevice corrosion) to ASME B18.5 standard by Sandvik. We needed to specify how long the bolts should be and where the thread should start - I have now forgotten how critical those dimensions were for the bolts for the boomkin stay c/plates. We were changing all the c/plates and had recorded which bolt came from which hole (the bolts for the shroud c/plates are messy because their lengths vary depending on what furniture is inboard of them; cutting to size without removing the furniture is nigh impossible in some locations).

As my earlier posts discuss, we used Bostik’s Simson ISR 70-03 to bed the plates. I found it easier to work with than 3M 5200. But I’ll only know in 7 or so years if it performs better than 5200 (I have been rebedding the amidships cleats every 5 to 7 years with 5200 - I suspect the heating by the sun of the cleats & deck degraded the 5200, but it could just be some other age-related thing). Solar heating is not an issue with the boomkin stay c/plates of course.

The racing Dhows are very light with hardly any
depth to the keels. They use light duty trailers.
The booms are double tapered carbon fibre these
days and were selling for 19,000 US$ last time I
looked !

What to say? Money to burn. I’m sure they’re as much fun as they look. And more disposable than a BCC.

Bil