Force 10 cabin heaters

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We aquired a Force 10 kerosene cabin heater with our BCC. Not to tickled about the open flame burner concept. This burner appears to be the same one used in the Optimus Hiker backpacking cook stove, we used these extensively for 20 years in the wilderness, with the exception of one rather exciting flare-up years ago, seemed to work rather well. The only issue with these stoves was the blow torch sound with the burner turned up from medium to high.
We have received the burner kit to convert it from Kerosene to diesel and placed it on our project list to upgrade and replace fuel line from the pressure tank and add a filter.
Does anyone have any comments, positive or negative with regard to using this product.
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Kate:

Thanks for organizing a very enjoyable and informative
Lyle Hess Rendezvous. A great turnout, and but for
the event, I would never have known about Vera's!
Unless one experiences the place, you wouldn't even be
able to make it up!! As always, it was a pleasure to
see you and Bernie.

It might be useful if you would send to each attendee
the names and e-mail addresses of those who were in
attendance. I'm certain many would like to keep in
touch with fellow Hess owners.

Congratulations on a job well done.

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Marty: refitted Sentient with a Force 10 propane heater and stove after "inheriting" the same equipment in the kerosene iteration. We placed the propane tank in the forepeak in an enclosed box with an overflow, as required. I am pleased to get rid of one more volatile and the inconvenience of dealing with another liquid fuel which had to be stored, poured, etc. I also feel that the risk of fire is diminished in my case. In my hands the stove was out of control sometimes vs the propane which turns on and off as I direct.
This may not be entirely on point but this was my way of dealing with the same problem.
Best,
Richard Smith
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Marty,
I have lived with Kerosene heaters and diesel heaters for many years.
The mantra which you must repeat over and over is PREHEAT. Once you
have preheated the vaporization chamber all works well. A little smell
with diesel but lots of good heat. Forget about the Alcohol for
preheating and get yourself a small torch. Black smoke and slimy
bulkheads await if you don’t preheat .
I’ve had Taylor Stoves and heaters for years. Once you learn how to use
them they are wonderful. Just remember; PREHEAT !!!
Cordially,
Jim Hiller
ps; I’ll be up your way in a few weeks. I purchased a Nordhavn 57 and
I’m taking it to the bay area for its first cruise. It’s in Dana Point
currently
On Sep 28, 2004, at 9:33 PM, Marty Chin wrote:

We aquired a Force 10 kerosene cabin heater with our BCC. Not to
tickled about the open flame burner concept. This burner appears to be
the same one used in the Optimus Hiker backpacking cook stove, we used
these extensively for 20 years in the wilderness, with the exception
of one rather exciting flare-up years ago, seemed to work rather well.
The only issue with these stoves was the blow torch sound with the
burner turned up from medium to high.

We have received the burner kit to convert it from Kerosene to diesel
and placed it on our project list to upgrade and replace fuel line
from the pressure tank and add a filter.

Does anyone have any comments, positive or negative with regard to
using this product.

Thanks,

Marty Chin, BCC Shamrock

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Kate:

Thanks for organizing a very enjoyable and informative
Lyle Hess Rendezvous. A great turnout, and but for
the event, I would never have known about Vera’s!
Unless one experiences the place, you wouldn’t even be
able to make it up!! As always, it was a pleasure to
see you and Bernie.

It might be useful if you would send to each attendee
the names and e-mail addresses of those who were in
attendance. I’m certain many would like to keep in
touch with fellow Hess owners.

Congratulations on a job well done.

Jerry

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Jim,
I have a Taylors stove and it never dawned on me to preheat with a torch.  Normally I fill the reservoir with alcohol and when that has burned off it is preheated enough for the kerosene to burn properly.  How do you know when it is preheated enough using a torch?  Where do you direct the flame?  This sounds so much easier than alcohol preheat.
Thanks,
Doug Beu
s/v Fritha
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Marty,
I have lived with Kerosene heaters and diesel heaters for many years. The mantra which you must repeat over and over is PREHEAT. Once you have preheated the vaporization chamber all works well. A little smell with diesel but lots of good heat. Forget about the Alcohol for preheating and get yourself a small torch. Black smoke and slimy bulkheads await if you don't preheat .
I've had Taylor Stoves and heaters for years. Once you learn how to use them they are wonderful. Just remember; PREHEAT !!!!
Cordially,
Jim Hiller
ps; I'll be up your way in a few weeks. I purchased a Nordhavn 57 and I'm taking it to the bay area for its first cruise. It's in Dana Point currently
On Sep 28, 2004, at 9:33 PM, Marty Chin wrote:
We aquired a Force 10 kerosene cabin heater with our BCC. Not to tickled about the open flame burner concept. This burner appears to be the same one used in the Optimus Hiker backpacking cook stove, we used these extensively for 20 years in the wilderness, with the exception of one rather exciting flare-up years ago, seemed to work rather well. The only issue with these stoves was the blow torch sound with the burner turned up from medium to high.
 
We have received the burner kit to convert it from Kerosene to diesel and placed it on our project list to upgrade and replace fuel line from the pressure tank and add a filter.
 
Does anyone have any comments, positive or negative with regard to using this product.
 
Thanks,
 
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Kate:

Thanks for organizing a very enjoyable and informative
Lyle Hess Rendezvous. A great turnout, and but for
the event, I would never have known about Vera's!
Unless one experiences the place, you wouldn't even be
able to make it up!! As always, it was a pleasure to
see you and Bernie.

It might be useful if you would send to each attendee
the names and e-mail addresses of those who were in
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Congratulations on a job well done.

Jerry


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Preheat the chamber for approx 1.5 minutes. I think Taylor has a
website and probably gives specific directions. Before I read about the
torch in a letter from Taylor my boat looked like the walls of a coal
mine.
On Sep 29, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Doug Beu wrote:

Jim,
I have a Taylors stove and it never dawned on me to preheat with a
torch. Normally I fill the reservoir with alcohol and when that has
burned off it is preheated enough for the kerosene to burn properly.
How do you know when it is preheated enough using a torch? Where do
you direct the flame? This sounds so much easier than alcohol
preheat.
Thanks,
Doug Beu
s/v Fritha
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From: Jim Hiller
To: bcc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [bcc] Force 10 cabin heaters

Marty,
I have lived with Kerosene heaters and diesel heaters for many years.
The mantra which you must repeat over and over is PREHEAT. Once you
have preheated the vaporization chamber all works well. A little smell
with diesel but lots of good heat. Forget about the Alcohol for
preheating and get yourself a small torch. Black smoke and slimy
bulkheads await if you don’t preheat .
I’ve had Taylor Stoves and heaters for years. Once you learn how to
use them they are wonderful. Just remember; PREHEAT !!!
Cordially,
Jim Hiller
ps; I’ll be up your way in a few weeks. I purchased a Nordhavn 57 and
I’m taking it to the bay area for its first cruise. It’s in Dana Point
currently
On Sep 28, 2004, at 9:33 PM, Marty Chin wrote:

We aquired a Force 10 kerosene cabin heater with our BCC. Not to
tickled about the open flame burner concept. This burner appears to be
the same one used in the Optimus Hiker backpacking cook stove, we used
these extensively for 20 years in the wilderness, with the exception
of one rather exciting flare-up years ago, seemed to work rather well.
The only issue with these stoves was the blow torch sound with the
burner turned up from medium to high.

We have received the burner kit to convert it from Kerosene to diesel
and placed it on our project list to upgrade and replace fuel line
from the pressure tank and add a filter.

Does anyone have any comments, positive or negative with regard to
using this product.

Thanks,

Marty Chin, BCC Shamrock

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From: Gerald Kovach
Subject: Re: Lyle Hess Tribute

Kate:

Thanks for organizing a very enjoyable and informative
Lyle Hess Rendezvous. A great turnout, and but for
the event, I would never have known about Vera’s!
Unless one experiences the place, you wouldn’t even be
able to make it up!! As always, it was a pleasure to
see you and Bernie.

It might be useful if you would send to each attendee
the names and e-mail addresses of those who were in
attendance. I’m certain many would like to keep in
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Propane is certainly a trouble free way to heat the boat but in very
cold climes it just doesn’t produce enough BTU’s. Kerosene or Diesel
will produce roughly twice the heat and do so with less moisture. The
downside of course is the stink and mess particularly if you fail to
preheat properly.
Most people who cruise the real cold areas use diesel heaters like
Webasto , Glembring, Dickinson, Espar or Reflex. Our litle force 10
heaters are ok to take the chill off but not ok to leave on 24 hrs a
day. I think the propane heater will empty the tank in less than one
day.
Jim
On Sep 29, 2004, at 12:21 AM, richard smith wrote:

Marty: refitted Sentient with a Force 10 propane heater and stove
after “inheriting” the same equipment in the kerosene iteration. We
placed the propane tank in the forepeak in an enclosed box with an
overflow, as required. I am pleased to get rid of one more volatile
and the inconvenience of dealing with another liquid fuel which had to
be stored, poured, etc. I also feel that the risk of fire is
diminished in my case. In my hands the stove was out of control
sometimes vs the propane which turns on and off as I direct.

This may not be entirely on point but this was my way of dealing with
the same problem.

Best,

Richard Smith

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