running rigging details sought

Hello All–

After a very fun first season owning my BCC #86 (1989) “Patience”,
its time for me to get down and fix it up. Among other things, I am
replacing all the (original) running rigging and have some questions
for the group.

I am unhappy with the way all my sheets are set up. The blocks for
the Jibsheets are hanging off webbing slings hitched to the midship
hawseholes …can’t be right. The mainsheet goes thru two blocks
hung from the boom which are permanently rubbing/chafing together
(all blocks aboard are wood). The staysail sheets get caught up on
the foward hatch on every tack. I am also adding all the rigging for
my new asym spin, including a new halyard (and no spare sheaves on
the mast).

What would really help me is some pictures showing some of these
items in detail on a boat that works well…picture of the sprit with
the spinnaker lines, details of the jib blocks and the mainsheet
blocks. Any opinions appreciated.

Other questions to throw out there:

  • Feathering props: Max prop or Other-brand prop (flex-o-fold, etc)?
    15" or 16"?
  • Has anyone every thought of converting one of the water tanks to an
    extra fuel tank? I carry jerrycans on long trips and never use all my
    water, so I figured, why not convert one of the 2 30 gal tanks over
    to fuel? Any thoughts?
  • Permanent preventer…anyone use a boombrake or similar contraption
    to set up a permanent preventer?

Thanks everyone,

Julian

Response below in CAPITALS
----- Original Message -----
From: pelenur <pelenur@yahoo.com >
To: <bcc@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: [bcc] running rigging details sought

Hello All–

After a very fun first season owning my BCC #86 (1989) “Patience”,
its time for me to get down and fix it up. Among other things, I am
replacing all the (original) running rigging and have some questions
for the group.

I am unhappy with the way all my sheets are set up. The blocks for
the Jibsheets are hanging off webbing slings hitched to the midship
hawseholes …can’t be right. (ONLY YOU KNOW IF THIS IS WHERE THE SHEET
SHOULD LEAD, HOW CAN WE HELP YOU THERE?) (IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE WEBBING
INSTALL A PLATE, PAD EYE, TRACK, ETC, JUST MAKE SURE IT IS WHERE IT SHOULD
BE LOCATED. A LINE RUNNING FROM THE TOP OF THE BLOCK TO THE LIFELINE WILL
KEEP THE BLOCK FROM DROPPING DOWN, HITTING THE BULWARKS) (The mainsheet
goes thru two blocks
hung from the boom which are permanently rubbing/chafing together (ARE
THESE TWO DOUBLE BLOCKS OR TWO SINGLE BLOCKS? IF TWO SINGLE BLOCKS, BUY A
DOUBLE.)
(all blocks aboard are wood). (MOST ALL THE BLOCKS ON THE BCC ARE WOOD
BECAUSE IT IS A TRADITIONAL BOAT WITH TRADITIONAL HARDWARE AND BLOCKS) The
staysail sheets get caught up on
the foward hatch on every tack. (THIS IS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT TAKING UP THE
SLACK IN THE LEEWARD SHEET BEFORE TACKING, COMMON PRATICE)I am also adding
all the rigging for
my new asym spin, including a new halyard (and no spare sheaves on
the mast).(HOW MANY SHEAVES DO YOU HAVE ON THE MAST? IF THERE ARE THREE,
WHAT IS THE THIRD ONE USED FOR? FORESPAR MASTS HAVE A TANG ON THE FORWARD
TOP OF THE MAST FOR SPINNAKER BLOCKS

What would really help me is some pictures showing some of these
items in detail on a boat that works well…picture of the sprit with
the spinnaker lines, details of the jib blocks and the mainsheet
blocks. Any opinions appreciated.(YOU ARE ASKING A LOT FOR PHOTOS)

Other questions to throw out there:

  • Feathering props: Max prop or Other-brand prop (flex-o-fold, etc)?
    15" or 16"? (NO COMMENT, TOO MUCH INVOLVED. I LEAVE IT TO THOSE WHO HAVE
    THEM)
  • Has anyone every thought of converting one of the water tanks to an
    extra fuel tank? I carry jerrycans on long trips and never use all my
    water, so I figured, why not convert one of the 2 30 gal tanks over
    to fuel? Any thoughts? DEPENDS ON THE MATERIAL OF THE WATER TANK. IF YOU
    DO CHANGE YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK. WATER IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN FUEL. IF
    YOU EVER TAKE THE BOAT CRUISING YOU MAY WANT MORE WATER SO NOW YOU WILL BE
    CARRYING JERRY JUGS OF WATER INSTEAD OF FUEL. THE BOAT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO
    SELL WITH ONLY 30 GALLONS OF WATER.
  • Permanent preventer…anyone use a boombrake or similar contraption
    to set up a permanent preventer? THE BCC HAS A LONG BOOM. IF YOU ARE ON A
    RUN THE BOOM WILL DIP AS IT ROLLS. IF YOU HAVE A PREVENTER ANYWHERE BUT AT
    THE END THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THE BOOM WITH BRAKE AT THAT POINT.

SUGGEST YOU READ THE PARDEY BOOKS FIRST, THEN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISSIONS IF
YOU DON’T AGREE. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS MUCH LONGER THAN ANY OF US.

IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS, ONE AT A TIME, I WILL GIVE “MY
OPINION”. YOU CAN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THOUGH THE BCC
FORUM FOR THIS.
roger.olson@att.net

Thanks everyone,

Julian

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Hi Julian:
 
I can't remember where you are based - an easy thing might be to get a ride on someone else's boat and to see what is where, how it is led, and ask questions about trim etc.
 
On Calypso, the jibsheets go through snap blocks (probably not the technical name) we attach to the bulwarks with webbing.  This works because we can change the sheeting angle depending on sail area we have up.  We also liked it because expensive hardware could be left belowdecks when not in use, a concern in certain cruising areas, unfortunately.
 
I ditto the spirit of what Roger said about water tanks - you never know when you might want more water.  Our 100 gallons lasted us for 6 weeks in the Bahamas and the Caribbean, and in 3 years of cruising we only had to buy water once.  Fuel - we have one 10 gallon tank and carry another 15 in jerry cans, and only once did we ever find ourselves searching for fuel because we were running out (in the US, on the Gulf Coast.)  (Our engine is the much-loved Saab 10 HP) I'd much rather have more water than fuel - you can always sail if you are out of fuel (or just wait until you can!)  We are pretty careful about making sure our fuel tank is topped off and our jerry jugs are full if we are going on a long passage that might require some motoring, but as I said, we rarely ran into a low fuel situation.  Remember too that water is as expensive as fuel is in some favorite cruising areas, and topping it off where it is less expensive (and better) can save a LOT of money.  Besides, filling up a big fuel tank when you have to filter each drop through a Baja filter can take  a LONG time!!!  Also jerry jugs are easier to fill than tanks in areas where you can't go alongside . . .
 
I'll be happy to take some pictures of our boat in use.  We don't have a spinnaker, but we do set up a pole for downwind sails - no "permanent" preventer, just a line permanently attached to the end of the boom that we tie off to the relevant cleat.  Calypso is out of the water right now, but I'll see what we have in archival footage concerning cleats and blocks etc.
 
Ask away - I don't think any of us is ever bummed to talk about our boats.  We all have learned from others more experienced than us, so it's kind of amusing (for me) to be on the experienced end.
 
Take care and enjoy the boat!
 
Nica
Calypso, BCC #6
----- Original Message -----
From: pelenur
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:46 PM
Subject: [bcc] running rigging details sought

Hello All--

After a very fun first season owning my BCC #86 (1989) "Patience",
its time for me to get down and fix it up. Among other things, I am
replacing all the (original) running rigging and have some questions
for the group.

I am unhappy with the way all my sheets are set up. The blocks for
the Jibsheets are hanging off webbing slings hitched to the midship
hawseholes ...can't be right. The  mainsheet goes thru two blocks
hung from the boom which are permanently rubbing/chafing together
(all blocks aboard are wood). The staysail sheets get caught up on
the foward hatch on every tack. I am also adding all the rigging for
my new asym spin, including a new halyard (and no spare sheaves on
the mast).

What would really help me is some pictures showing some of these
items in detail on a boat that works well...picture of the sprit with
the spinnaker lines, details of the jib blocks and the mainsheet
blocks. Any opinions appreciated.

Other questions to throw out there:

- Feathering props: Max prop or Other-brand prop (flex-o-fold, etc)?
15" or 16"?
- Has anyone every thought of converting one of the water tanks to an
extra fuel tank? I carry jerrycans on long trips and never use all my
water, so I figured, why not convert one of the 2 30 gal tanks over
to fuel? Any thoughts?
- Permanent preventer...anyone use a boombrake or similar contraption
to set up a permanent preventer?


Thanks everyone,

Julian





— In bcc@y…, “pelenur” <pelenur@y…> wrote:

Hello All–

After a very fun first season owning my BCC #86 (1989) “Patience”,
its time for me to get down and fix it up. Among other things, I am
replacing all the (original) running rigging and have some questions
for the group.

I am unhappy with the way all my sheets are set up. The blocks for
the Jibsheets are hanging off webbing slings hitched to the midship
hawseholes …can’t be right. The mainsheet goes thru two blocks
hung from the boom which are permanently rubbing/chafing together
(all blocks aboard are wood). The staysail sheets get caught up on
the foward hatch on every tack. I am also adding all the rigging for
my new asym spin, including a new halyard (and no spare sheaves on
the mast).

What would really help me is some pictures showing some of these
items in detail on a boat that works well…picture of the sprit
with
the spinnaker lines, details of the jib blocks and the mainsheet
blocks. Any opinions appreciated.

Other questions to throw out there:

  • Feathering props: Max prop or Other-brand prop (flex-o-fold, etc)?
    15" or 16"?
  • Has anyone every thought of converting one of the water tanks to
    an
    extra fuel tank? I carry jerrycans on long trips and never use all
    my
    water, so I figured, why not convert one of the 2 30 gal tanks over
    to fuel? Any thoughts?
  • Permanent preventer…anyone use a boombrake or similar
    contraption
    to set up a permanent preventer?

Thanks everyone,

Julian

hello-
being semi-custom, each boat is a bit different. my jib sheet
blocks are mounted to fixed pad eyes on deck. i recently got a new
jib and measuring to be sure that tesion on foot and leach is equal
was a challenge. when off the wind, the lead ought to move forward
and this could be done with a barber hauler, but i have never
bothered. the webbing straps could be switched to a different place
along th bulwark if you are not happy with their placement. this may
require different straps, but this is easy to make. you will want to
be able to move them for your chute anyway.
the staysail sheets are a problem for me as well, especially as my
spinnaker pole is mounted on the mast. i have installed an extra set
of hinges on the scuttle so it opens forward and i lead a shock cord
from the forward mast down to these so the sheets won’t foul the pole,
winches, etc.
spinnaker-i will post a good article from neil pryde on cruising
chutes. i have an ancient crosscut symmetric chute that i got for
$100. assymetric should be similar though. not all forespar masts are
the same. i asked forespar about how to mount a spinnaker block, they
said off the tang, and would not believe that i did not have one until
i sent them a diagram. i fabricated a crane out of 1/2" x 1 1/2"
aluminum bar, but found it straightened itself out after the first use
(it required a torch and breaker bar to put the 30 degree bend in it
to start), so i had it reinforced with a welded web and it seems to be
ok. typically, you want it above and forward of the headstay,
especially so if you have a furler, making the lack of an extra sheave
a moot point. i assume you have jib/main/topping lift. i switched my
topping lift to a block hung on the backstay crane to give me a spare
halyard. some people do use a masthead sheave, then fly the
assymetric inside the headstay, but the jib sheets tend to interfere
with sail shape if you have a furler. also there are significant
chafe concerns with this arrangement as the halyard tends to go
laterally with a chute rather than strait up and down with most sails.
therefore, a swivel block on a crane is most common. i also have a
wire luff drifter. i set it using the spinnaker halyard as it chafed
when on the masthead halyard. my halyard is run to a cleat seized to
the forward lower shroud, not a completely satisfactory arrangement.
on the sprit, i have an eyebolt inboard of the cranse iron that i use
for the tack of the drifter. this might be ok for an assymetric tack
attachment point as well. i have on occasion used a webbing strap on
the outboard end to the sprit (when trying to get the #&^$#(*!!!
clevis pin in the furler) and this might be an option as well. some
people use the furled jib as an attachment point. i did this on my
last boat and chafe did not seem to be the problem i expected,
although adjustment was not real smooth. you want the tack line to be
adjustable to control sail shape.
i have used a snuffer or sock and found it makes life much easier,
especially singlehanding. the sail almost always come in dry, my main
criteria for a satisfactory take-down.

water/fuel-
i have a 26 and a 17 gal water tank, and keep 2 jerry jugs in the
lazarette, giving me 52 gal capacity. i have never needed it all, but
did tend to incorporate watering in my cruise planning in the
bahamas. while there i also kept a 14 gal flexible bladder tied on
deck between the companionway and skylight. we used the ice meltwater
for showering and drank mostly canned beverages. a salt water pump in
the galley markedly decreased my water needs. i think 30 gallons only
would be cutting it short for us. I also carry 2 fuel tanks of 30 and
26 gallons. long powering range is nice even if fuel is readily
available like on the ICW where it is day after day motoring. i
currently carry only one extra jerry jug of fuel. a second jug would
be nice to have to halve the number of trips to a non dockside filling
station and also to be able to balance. i have seen some people with
a contoured yoke across there shoulders and 2 jugs. other couples use
a longitudinal pole, carrying the jugs “dead tiger” style. my problem
is that i like to keep the decks clear and there is no more room in
the lazarette. i do carry a 1 gallon can of diesel in the forepeak,
useful for filling the fuel filter and dispensing small amounts for
cleaning, etc.

preventer-
i have a vang that i use from a boom bail to a tab on the mast. i
can only use it when the dink is not aboard. therefore, when i am
deeper than a close reach, i run this over to a padeye on the rail,
where it provides both vanging and preventing functions. some people
refer to this arrangement as a “prevanger”. Roger’s point about rough
water is a critical one and if the boom comes at all close to the
water, i have a permanently rigged line from the aft end of the boom
which i run thru the hawse hole forward to take over preventer
function, then i can lead the vang a bit more aft to protect the boom.
you want this to be rigged to the outboard end of the boom before you
actually need it. for me, the boombrake would probably be in the way
of my dinghy.
john churchill

Hi Julian,

Here’s some more on rigging a preventer.

I agree both with Roger and John about the importance of rigging it
near the outboard end of the boom. I used mine a lot sailing downwind
in the Pacific trades. Sailing wing and wing I found the boat tended
to roll quite merrily in most sea/wind combinations and this
increased the chance of dipping the boom.

I devised the following method of rigging the preventer and kept the
components in place permanently, always ready to deploy. There are
three lines. One on each side from the bitts, through the forward
hawse and outboard aft to the upper shroud. This line(s) terminated
at this point with a snap shackle which I snapped on to a SS ring
seized to the upper shroud about 4.5 to 5 feet above deck level. (I
also used this ring for an upper life line on passages.) The third
line was rigged on the boom. I have two cleats on the boom forward.
One is for the third clew reefing line and the other I use for
adjusting the preventer. In use, the preventer leads from this
forward boom cleat, aft through a snatch block attached to the boom
by a webbing strop just aft the first reefing cheek block,
approximately just aft the boom gallows when the boom is at rest.
From there, the preventer leads outboard forward and is attached to
the forward line on whatever side the boom happens to be. I make this
attachment when the boom is already in position. With the lines in
separate parts like this it is fairly easy to hook up the preventer
on either side from a position by the shrouds, (leaning against the
pin rail). When not in use, I lead both ends of the preventer forward
to the cleat on the boom and hang a coil of excess line from the
cleat. I arrived at this solution after using just a single line for
a while but it was more work having to take the forward end around
the shrouds and attach it through the hawse and to the bitts.

I rarely used a vang, but on occasion did rig a line from the boom
down to the midship cleat on deck. It always made me nervous to see
how much strain it could generate. I’d rather suffer sub-optimal sail
shape than sub-optimal boom shape (eg bent boom!).

Hope the above can be understood.

Happy sailing.
Gary
Mintaka II

— In bcc@y…, “pelenur” <pelenur@y…> wrote:

Hello All–

After a very fun first season owning my BCC #86 (1989) “Patience”,
its time for me to get down and fix it up. Among other things, I am
replacing all the (original) running rigging and have some
questions
for the group.

I am unhappy with the way all my sheets are set up. The blocks for
the Jibsheets are hanging off webbing slings hitched to the midship
hawseholes …can’t be right. The mainsheet goes thru two blocks
hung from the boom which are permanently rubbing/chafing together
(all blocks aboard are wood). The staysail sheets get caught up on
the foward hatch on every tack. I am also adding all the rigging
for
my new asym spin, including a new halyard (and no spare sheaves on
the mast).

What would really help me is some pictures showing some of these
items in detail on a boat that works well…picture of the sprit
with
the spinnaker lines, details of the jib blocks and the mainsheet
blocks. Any opinions appreciated.

Other questions to throw out there:

  • Feathering props: Max prop or Other-brand prop (flex-o-fold,
    etc)?
    15" or 16"?
  • Has anyone every thought of converting one of the water tanks to
    an
    extra fuel tank? I carry jerrycans on long trips and never use all
    my
    water, so I figured, why not convert one of the 2 30 gal tanks over
    to fuel? Any thoughts?
  • Permanent preventer…anyone use a boombrake or similar
    contraption
    to set up a permanent preventer?

Thanks everyone,

Julian