Top 10 reasons to buy a BCC28 from Sam L Morse Company

Hi Peter and Pat

I don’t often comment on this board but this is very important.

If its just you and your wife I would recommend the BCC 28 built by
Sam L. Morse Company. (Sumio)

Its time to talk about good reasons for the BCC 28 built by the Sam L
Morse Company. (built in America)

Top Ten Reasons to buy a BCC28…

  1. The BCC 28 is without a doubt the best built boat in its size range
    in the world.

  2. The crew over at Sam L Morse Company has more than 25 years
    of experience building this boat. Building over 150  boats total! (Maybe
    more)

  3. The 34 built in British Columbia has built only one complete
    boat and a couple of kits (last I heard)

  4. The 34 company doesn’t have a track record and is most likely
    underfunded to build more than one boat at a time.

  5. The 34 is much too heavy for a man and wife team; weighing in
    dry at more than 20,000 pounds, ready for a world cruise your looking
    at perhaps 27,000 pounds. (now that is HEAVY!!) It will not sail as well
    in light air, It will also take more heavy sails to even ‘move’ the 34
    in anything under 18 knots.

  6. You do not want the teak decks that are pictured on the 34 website.
    (nothing but un-necessary weight and hundreds of holes in the deck
    will come back to haunt you with water intrusion and big maintenance
    problems)

  7. The BCC 28 will be perfect for two, will take you anywhere in the
    world in comfort and safety and because of its flawless track record,
    the re-sale value is one of the best in the industry.

  8. The crew at Sam L Morse will work with you and give you incredible
    service.

  9. Like lin and larry said: Go small, go simple, go now, really applys
    to your situation. You have a boat that can be singlehanded in any
    weather (unlike the 34) and slip fees,  moorage fees are less. A bottom
    job on a 34 is perhaps 80% more than a 28. Fuel consumption on the 34 will
    be twice that of a 28, not counting the maintenance of the larger engine
    the 34 would need. Try careening a 34 on the beach in the Bahama’s. It just
    won’t be easy. You should have a boat that can be singlehanded by either
    your wife or you if someone gets sick or hurt.
    The BCC 28 can be set up for that purpose. You can set sail by yourself in
    a 28 The 28 is really bigger inside than a Crealock 34 (sorry Bill, I’ll
    buy lunch next time) and practically everything you would want on a world
    class live-a-board cruising boat can be installed on the BCC 28.

  10. A great reason to buy a BCC28 is that Sumio can get started
    NOW on your boat because he has an opening in the production
    schedule (which is rare). He just shipped a few of the neatest BCC28’s
    I have ever seen.

Just my opinion and…

Fair winds
Bob

petergarvey3 <garvey3 @adelphia.net=""> wrote:

hi,
my wife and i have decided to purchase a sailing yacht for long
distance cruising. we have narrowed it down to either the bcc 28 or
the falmouth cutter 34 built in vancouver. does anyone have any
thoughts? before we make the decision we would like to see both
yachts in the water and talk to owners. we would have no crew only
the two of us. we live on the east coast in new york and will call
anywhere to talk to owners. we would like to keep our travel time
down to a weekend if possible, by auto.
thank-you for your response in advance
peter & pat garvey


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Bob:
 
Have you ever owned or sailed or lived aboard a BCC?
 
Your wrote:
 
"5. The 34 is much too heavy for a man and wife team; weighing in
dry at more than 20,000 pounds, ready for a world cruise your looking
at perhaps 27,000 pounds. (now that is HEAVY!!) It will not sail as well
in light air, It will also take more heavy sails to even 'move' the 34
in anything under 18 knots"
I am curious to know how you came to these conclusions?
 
Best Regards,
 
Rod
S/V IDUNA,  (Canadian BCC)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: [bcc] Top 10 reasons to buy a BCC28 from Sam L Morse Company

Hi Peter and Pat

I don't often comment on this board but this is very important.

If its just you and your wife I would recommend the BCC 28 built by
Sam L. Morse Company. (Sumio)

Its time to talk about good reasons for the BCC 28 built by the Sam L
Morse Company. (built in America)



Top Ten Reasons to buy a BCC28.....

1. The BCC 28 is without a doubt the best built boat in its size range
in the world.

2. The crew over at Sam L Morse Company has more than 25 years
of experience building this boat. Building over 150  boats total! (Maybe more)

3. The 34 built in British Columbia has built only one complete
boat and a couple of kits (last I heard)

4. The 34 company doesn't have a track record and is most likely
underfunded to build more than one boat at a time.

5. The 34 is much too heavy for a man and wife team; weighing in
dry at more than 20,000 pounds, ready for a world cruise your looking
at perhaps 27,000 pounds. (now that is HEAVY!!) It will not sail as well
in light air, It will also take more heavy sails to even 'move' the 34
in anything under 18 knots.

6. You do not want the teak decks that are pictured on the 34 website.
(nothing but un-necessary weight and hundreds of holes in the deck
will come back to haunt you with water intrusion and big maintenance
problems)

7. The BCC 28 will be perfect for two, will take you anywhere in the
world in comfort and safety and because of its flawless track record,
the re-sale value is one of the best in the industry.

8. The crew at Sam L Morse will work with you and give you incredible
service.

9. Like lin and larry said: Go small, go simple, go now, really applys
to your situation. You have a boat that can be singlehanded in any
weather (unlike the 34) and slip fees,  moorage fees are less. A bottom
job on a 34 is perhaps 80% more than a 28. Fuel consumption on the 34 will be twice that of a 28, not counting the maintenance of the larger engine the 34 would need. Try careening a 34 on the beach in the Bahama's. It just won't be easy. You should have a boat that can be singlehanded by either your wife or you if someone gets sick or hurt.
The BCC 28 can be set up for that purpose. You can set sail by yourself in a 28 The 28 is really bigger inside than a Crealock 34 (sorry Bill, I'll buy lunch next time) and practically everything you would want on a world class live-a-board cruising boat can be installed on the BCC 28.

10. A great reason to buy a BCC28 is that Sumio can get started
NOW on your boat because he has an opening in the production
schedule (which is rare). He just shipped a few of the neatest BCC28's
I have ever seen.

Just my opinion and.....

Fair winds
Bob

petergarvey3 wrote:
hi,
my wife and i have decided to purchase a sailing yacht for long
distance cruising. we have narrowed it down to either the bcc 28 or
the falmouth cutter 34 built in vancouver. does anyone have any
thoughts? before we make the decision we would like to see both
yachts in the water and talk to owners. we would have no crew only
the two of us. we live on the east coast in new york and will call
anywhere to talk to owners. we would like to keep our travel time
down to a weekend if possible, by auto.
thank-you for your response in advance
peter & pat garvey


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Bob:
 
I have given further thought to the points you made about the BCC.  Perhaps it was the analytical thought process of chemist speaking,  I was too cold.  My apologies.  I should stick to throwing bones across the deck and reading them where they fall.  I have done that but do not ask the name of the vice president or the company.  No, I was not terminated, in fact, the guy liked me even more.
 
Your points are well taken.  I believe the support Sam L. Morse Company has provided the owners of BCC is unquestionable and outstanding..  The company has always supported their boats and been very open about discussing issues.  Further, the company has provided technical support to me regardless of the fact I have a Canadian BCC.  This was not the case with Pacific Seacraft when we owned the Flicka nor is the case now for the 432 Flicka owners.
 
The only exception I have is the issue about handling a larger boat or the sail performance of the Falmouth Cutter 34.  If Channel Cutter builds to Lyle Hess's specifications, I suspect the boat will sail quite well.  Couples also handle larger boats such as the Gale Force 34 and Westsail 32.  In my opinion, an experience couple should be able to handle the FC 34 - the key is experience.
 
The factors in the equation that are unknown at this point, is Peter and Pat's experience level, physical condition and age, as well as their long term sailing plans.  As with my lovely shipmate, I am quite certain Pat is not a day over 29, hence only Peter's age enters into the equation :-)
 
We chose the BCC because we could handle her, she is a well proven design and she gave us the extra storage space and "bum-room" that we felt was lacking in our last boat (http://home.att.net/~africanmoon/ ) .  Let me discuss the three areas I just mentioned.
 
Handling:
 
Lenora, my shipmate, and I can handle the boat single-handed.  Each of us can handle the sails from hoisting, to stowing, to carrying the sails off the boat. We can also manage the loads on the winches but sometimes the loads are rather heavy for L.  Sometimes,they are heavy for me.   When on a passage, these are important issues.  Because of the watch routine, the boat is sailed single-handed by default when underway.  As to her sailing characteristics, we are impressed.  Each time we take her out, she continues to amaze us about how well she sails and handles.  This is one of the reasons we choose the BCC.  We wanted a sailing machine that we could sail in the light air "stuff" and the heavy "stuff."
 
Well Proven Design:
 
Although we have not sailed the BCC as extensively as we would like, the BCC has proved to be an extremely fast boat for her size and very comfortable underway.  These boats are well proven on ocean passages and can take the wear and tear of passage-making regardless of the conditions.  We feel very safe in the boat and know she will bring us home as long as we care for her.  There are very few places I would not take this boat.  As to speed, I believe Churchill, made two 170 mile days when he crossed the Atlantic to Ireland.   The BCC will easily make 125 mile in a day's run and 150 miles in 24 hours in not unusual.  Although speed reduces your "exposure time", the boat is also comfortable while sailing fast.  Nica and Jeremy Waters made an Atlantic passage on a Deerfoot 64 after they returned from they three year cruise in the Caribbean.  Nica's comment to us was, she would take the ride of a BCC over the Deerfoot any time in any weather.
 
"Bum-Room":
 
L and I love to have dinner guests.  Our BCC has enough room to comfortably have 5 dinner guests, 6 with a squeeze and in a pinch 8.  After Baltimore's boat parade ended this past holiday, we invited our guests to a black bean chili dinner aboard IDUNA.  All were boat people.  We sat 8 around the table, told stories, enjoyed the wine and each other's company on a cold winter night while listening to music by Gordon Bok and Stan Rogers - our BCC has a custom layout.  The storage and carrying capacity of the boat is outstanding.  There are very few boats under 35 ft LOD that can carry 3,000 lb. of equipment, stores and provisions and not suffer in sailing performance.
 
There is no questions Bob,  the BCC is a well proven design and thoroughly tested in the "Big Tank" as well as well supported by the Sam L. Morse Co.
 
Fair Winds,
 
Rod

In addition to the previous remarks made about your reasons for
prefering a Sam L Morse design, I would also point out that I
have not found teak decks to be any more trouble than ones that
have been covered with various epoxies. The best way to care
for teak decks is by leaving them alone - ie. no scrubbing, no
coating, and only the weekly rinse with salt water. Left to their
own devices, they do not need to be recoated - which is a horible
job - provide excellent traction, and are quite simple.

The Samuel L. Morse company has more experience than I
could ever hope to amass (especially since my days of working
on anyone’s boat but my own have hopefully passed) but they
cater to a fairly select group and there are other Hess designs
and choices that equally well-thought out and attractive to people
not in the Samuel L Morse income bracket or mindset.

Sasha

— In bcc@yahoogroups.com , Bob <bobeeg@e…> wrote:

Hi Peter and Pat

I don’t often comment on this board but this is very important.

If its just you and your wife I would recommend the BCC 28
built by
Sam L. Morse Company. (Sumio)

Its time to talk about good reasons for the BCC 28 built by the
Sam L
Morse Company. (built in America)

Top Ten Reasons to buy a BCC28…

  1. The BCC 28 is without a doubt the best built boat in its size
    range
    in the world.

  2. The crew over at Sam L Morse Company has more than 25
    years
    of experience building this boat. Building over 150 boats total!
    (Maybe
    more)

  3. The 34 built in British Columbia has built only one complete
    boat and a couple of kits (last I heard)

  4. The 34 company doesn’t have a track record and is most
    likely
    underfunded to build more than one boat at a time.

  5. The 34 is much too heavy for a man and wife team; weighing
    in
    dry at more than 20,000 pounds, ready for a world cruise your
    looking
    at perhaps 27,000 pounds. (now that is HEAVY!!) It will not sail
    as well
    in light air, It will also take more heavy sails to even ‘move’ the
    34
    in anything under 18 knots.

  6. You do not want the teak decks that are pictured on the 34
    website.
    (nothing but un-necessary weight and hundreds of holes in the
    deck
    will come back to haunt you with water intrusion and big
    maintenance
    problems)

  7. The BCC 28 will be perfect for two, will take you anywhere in
    the
    world in comfort and safety and because of its flawless track
    record,
    the re-sale value is one of the best in the industry.

  8. The crew at Sam L Morse will work with you and give you
    incredible
    service.

  9. Like lin and larry said: Go small, go simple, go now, really
    applys
    to your situation. You have a boat that can be singlehanded in
    any
    weather (unlike the 34) and slip fees, moorage fees are less.
    A bottom
    job on a 34 is perhaps 80% more than a 28. Fuel consumption
    on the 34
    will be twice that of a 28, not counting the maintenance of the
    larger
    engine the 34 would need. Try careening a 34 on the beach in
    the
    Bahama’s. It just won’t be easy. You should have a boat that
    can be
    singlehanded by either your wife or you if someone gets sick or
    hurt.
    The BCC 28 can be set up for that purpose. You can set sail by
    yourself
    in a 28 The 28 is really bigger inside than a Crealock 34 (sorry
    Bill,
    I’ll buy lunch next time) and practically everything you would
    want on a
    world class live-a-board cruising boat can be installed on the
    BCC 28.

  10. A great reason to buy a BCC28 is that Sumio can get
    started
    NOW on your boat because he has an opening in the
    production
    schedule (which is rare). He just shipped a few of the neatest
    BCC28’s
    I have ever seen.

Just my opinion and…

Fair winds
Bob

petergarvey3 wrote:

hi,
my wife and i have decided to purchase a sailing yacht for
long

distance cruising. we have narrowed it down to either the bcc
28 or

the falmouth cutter 34 built in vancouver. does anyone have
any

thoughts? before we make the decision we would like to see
both

yachts in the water and talk to owners. we would have no
crew only

the two of us. we live on the east coast in new york and will
call

anywhere to talk to owners. we would like to keep our travel
time

down to a weekend if possible, by auto.
thank-you for your response in advance
peter & pat garvey

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